51 percent of Trump voters say the Bowling Green massacre justifies the travel ban
I have brought part of this conversation up from the comments page:
Commenter:
First of all, consider the source. Next, this was such a small, insignificant poll done by a source that consistently mishandles polling data to come up with the conclusions its handlers want, rather than what might be the actual conclusion. So the headline should actually read, "712 Idiots believe the Bowling Green Massacre was real".
Me:
Not so.
Of the 712 people who were interviewed, only 164 were, to employ your term, "idiots" who thought The Bowling Green Massacre was real.
The point is that 155 of those were Trump voters, versus 6 who voted for Hillary, and 3 others.
Or, again to use your term, wording the result less kindly, 95% of all idiots voted for Trump!
First of all, consider the source. Next, this was such a small, insignificant poll done by a source that consistently mishandles polling data to come up with the conclusions it's handlers want, rather than what might be the actual conclusion. So the headline should actually read, "712 Idiots believe the Bowling Green Massacre was real".
ReplyDeletePublic Policy Polling is a decent polling firm and that is a standard sample size for a poll.
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DeleteAdam T - That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would rather see Rasmussen tackle this same question and see what results they get.
DeleteNot so.
DeleteOf the 712 people who were interviewed, only 164 were, to employ your term, "idiots" who thought Bowling Green was real.
The point is that 155 of those were Trump voters, versus 6 who voted for Hillary, and 3 others.
Or, again to use your term, wording the result less kindly, 95% of all idiots voted for Trump!
Yes, it's an opinion, but my opinion is based on knowledge of statistics and polling. So my opinion is a valid opinion and yours isn't.
DeleteYes, it's an opinion, but my opinion is based on knowledge of statistics and polling. So my opinion is a valid opinion and yours isn't.
DeleteThe Gent is a trump cultist. Always has been. He's one of the guys trump was referring to when he said he could shoot a man dead in the middle of the street and his numbers wouldn't drop.
ReplyDeleteThat said, this speaks to the fact that people are, as Ted Cruz said, 'low information'. The same people who say obamacare sucks but the aca is fine.
The point is that being confused by specifics in current events doesn't mean much. These people believe that terrorist attacks in the US are worth this ban. Those other people know that obamacare, whatever it's called, isn't what they want.
Now, the point is that anyone is uninformed and generically stupid enough to think this ban, as executed, would even theoretically stop terrorism in the US. That's a bad sign regardless of whether they think bowling green happened or not, because it shows they feel passionate about something they absolutely don't know the first thing about.
Poor Justin, other than the generalities, your statement is wrong. I am not a 'Trump Cultist", nor am I confused about ObamaCare being the same as the ACA. Had there been a better candidate than Trump, I would have voted for that person (and Hillary was not even close), and if Trump had actually shot someone, unlike a lot of people, I would have not voted for him for anything other than jail.
ReplyDeleteDo I think the 'muslim ban' as everybody calls it, will stop terrorism in this country? No, but it is a start and it is something that every President since Clinton has done but now, all of a sudden, when Trump - a non-politician - does it, it's wrong. Will keeping possible terrorists out of this country stop terrorist acts? It's possible - as possible as preventing a gasoline explosion by keeping fire away from the vapors.
And just because someone disagrees with your opinion does not mean they are "uninformed and generically stupid". That opinion shows you to be close minded and prejudiced. And to be honest, I would much rather be 'low information' than closed-minded any day of the week.
Except you are uninformed and generically stupid.
DeleteThere has not been a terrorist incident in the U.S since September 11, 2001 that was committed by a non resident of the United States, at least not from those seven nations.
I hate to break this to you since you don't seem to be aware but life entails risk.
If you want to eliminate risk, you'll have to never get out of bed, though that would create its own risk.
Not all risks are equally risky and not all risks are equally likely, but every step you take has a very small risk (as does every step you don't take.)
So, the best we can do is assess risk based on probabilities and we know the probabilities of a terrorist incident from vetted Muslims from these seven nations is very low.
That is why the fear mongers have to look to Europe which for terrorist incidents or has to make up terrorist incidents in the United States like this fictional massacre.
The risk is completely different for Europe given the proximity of Europe to the Middle East (not just from those seven nations) and Europe's obviously much greater difficulty in preventing terrorists from getting into Europe.
The equivalent would be like Europe worrying of a flood of illegals from Mexico or Central America.
Your argument is also a false dichotomy as you are clearly both 'low information' and close-minded/prejudiced.
OK, yeah, the dude is getting a little more ad hominem than necessary,but the gist is sound - having someone tell you what you want to hear and not caring whether any of it is true is what led to an Oompa-Loompa president.
DeleteKnowing fact from fiction isn't close-mindedness, it's good judgement.
While I think ad hominems back and forth can be good fun, and I don't dispute that was part of what I was doing, I just want it noted that every ad hominem I used was just throwing back the terms 'the Gent' used.
DeleteTo the Gent,
ReplyDeleteNeither Bush (W) nor Obama imposed blanket bans on immigration from any particular nation, which is what Trump attempted to do. They did increase scrutiny of people from certain nations, which in the wake of 9/11, was simply prudent. Neither Bush, Obama nor Trump included the Saudis (home to 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers) on their lists, because that would have been politically difficult, and in Trump's case, bad for business.
Having said that, I completely agree with you on one thing. You clearly rather be "low information" than "close minded". Of course, if you weren't also generically stupid (to borrow Adam T's rather undiplomatic term) you would understand that an open, uninformed mind might as well be closed.
"Generically stupid" isn't my term. It was used here before me.
DeletePoor Justin used the term first and the Gent used it to mention that he'd rather be low information than closed minded.
As we've both mentioned though in our own way, the idea that a person can't be both closed minded and low information is illogical.